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 So, over on Pillowfort, SakuraNoMiko had a great post about reading fic without being involved in the canon that I responded to, and I'm posting my response over here because I really enjoyed the process of thinking about it and would love more of people's thoughts!

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SakuraNoMiko wrote:

That said--has anyone gotten really into a fic without knowing the canon? Read fic before seeing the actual show? I'm curious if it influenced your opinion of the show when you finally saw it.

I have actually read a lot of fic without knowing the canon!

So, I can actually date nearly precisely when I decided that, not only could I read fic beyond the part of the canon I already knew, I could read fic with no intention of ever learning the canon! I lay the credit on this post  from 2006. - https://thefourthvine.livejournal.com/63288.html

Allow me to steal a quote from that post by theFourthVine: 

"[Me and TV] is never going to be a pairing of legend, unless the legend involves a lot of headaches, stupid questions, avoidance, and humiliating misunderstandings.

But I was learning that most major fandoms were TV shows. I felt - well, hampered. But in November 2003, I clicked on Out of Whack. Some careful reading later, I learned a great truth: fan fiction can be canon-optional. Later, I learned that I am actually much more likely to enjoy reading the fan fiction if I don't know the canon when I start, and TV fandoms became my happy home.
 "

See, this seems really obvious to me now, but the reality of the situation was, I really did need someone to give me permission to treat fandom as a worthy effort in and of itself, without having to have a relationship with the canon beforehand. 

Which I was really happy to find out! Because I had a lot of fic writers that I loved who were writing in fandoms that I didn't have access to because they were TV series from before the era of automatic DVD releases - The Sentinel, Due South, etc. And while I've seen a few episodes each from each of these shows, and I can see some of the appeal of the original canon, it's just been so long and I'm so divorced from the standards of normal at the time, that I'm fine with just giving up on the canon and enjoying the fic for what it is. 

SakuraNoMiko wrote:

A possibly secondary question: of course, fanfiction wouldn't exist without some sort of canon source, but do you think it's necessary to know the canon to fully enjoy a fic? Like, do you think a fic should be able to stand on it's own, or is that kind of  stupid idea, given that fic is made to be alongside canon? What about AUs that have very little to do with canon? Fics where people are acting out-of-character?

Somewhat obviously, I'm going to land on "Nope, you don't need the canon to love the fandom!" Good writing is worth it, even if you are going to miss some of the context or you have to check in with a fandom primer to get. Good writing is an experience worth having, even if you end up not knowing the exact lines between canon and fanon.  And like you mentioned, you can pick up a lot of canon just from being in the community. 

In some ways, reading without canon does mean that you are more vulnerable to getting confused about the facts of the canon - like you mentioned in watching Supernatural, you'd picked up that demons were really common, well before that became true in canon.  I've definitely picked up some elements of Transformers fic and assumed it was canon, only to read stuff that made it clear, whoops, that's just one author's headcanon! Or a common fanon that not everyone agrees with! 

One tactic I have used for getting familiarity with fandoms I know I am never going to connect with canon - I read a lot of meta! Episode summaries, or primers, or Youtube videos talking about the show - they are all usually very explicit about what's canon, and you can pick up the main facts about things. On tumblr, meta posts took a lot of that role!

To be fair, when I think about the fandoms I read in without knowing the canon fully, I usually have a barrier to the canon that prevents me from engaging with it. For The Eagle fandom, I have seen the film, but I can't get my hands on the original books by Rosemary Sutcliffe, so I rely on fandom to flesh out the details from the books. For DueSouth, The Sentinel,  and X-Files, those are all TV shows that are pretty time intensive, and for a while they were difficult to get access to (unless you invested in your own copies of the DVD's) - since the time and money involved were a high barrier, I formed an attachment that was mostly free of canon. Transformers and some other continuing comics series - I like comics but I find continuing series hard to follow outside of collections, and often difficult to find without buying for myself. 

And then there are the fandoms where I was engaged with the canon, and then, welp, to quote Nick Fury: I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid-ass decision, I’ve elected to ignore it.  Some fandoms, I will read the fic, and I will love them from afar, but holy shit I am not doing that to myself again So, Once Upon A Time,  I'll read some of the fic about the characters I love, but I am never ever going to watch another episode. 


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I suppose this a little obligatory, but overall, a worthwhile task. 

Fannish!
Fanworks Created: 0. As usual, I lurk much more than I write.

Comments Left: Who knows! But I have at least 80 replies in my AO3 inbox from the last year, and those are uniformly replies to comments I have left on other people'e work, so at least 80 and probably a good bit more than that. (Does anyone know of a way I can see comments I left to other people in one location on AO3? That would be very useful.) 

Fanfic Read: Approximately 1,340 works, based on my AO3 history page. (The math: 20 entries per page in my History tab on AO3, had to go back to page 67 to hit Jan 2018)  That's assuming I didn't read anything that was hosted outside AO3, that none of those are re-reads (oho, a mistake that would be!) and that I actually read everything I clicked on. I have a number of open tabs that would put the lie to that last assertion, so let's just say it all comes out in the wash.

Bookmarks Created: 200-ish, again based on that entries-per-page-AO3 math. Which is a pretty good ratio of good fic! One thing I like about reading on AO3, the fact that my History saves things I have looked at frees me up to use my Bookmarks to save the things I really want to rec or read again - I don't bookmark things that I just felt okay about. By far the largest fandom of growth was Venom - that tag went from being a desert to a gooey alien oasis. 

Non-Fannish!

Knitting: According to my Ravelry, I have completed at least 11 Knitted Objects in 2018!   My most common project were socks - at least four pairs that I have documented, and I am skeptical if I didn't do more this year. But it's hard to remember when I started things and when I finished them. The second most common project, and by far the largest, were two shawls, both in a pattern called Rosetta Tharpe, which I liked so much when I made one for a friend, I had to make one for myself!  I also made my first sweater, so for good or for ill, I appear to have crossed the line into being a real knitter. 

(This review has made me realize that my Ravelry projects history has some fairly major gaps in it - there was a large project from 2017, a piecework blanket, that took months but never actually got onto my Ravelry page at all.)

What I Have Been Reading:
Pro-Fic : CryoBurn by Lois McMaster Bujold - a wonderful book in the post-Memory half of the Vorkosigan Saga. An excellent example of "point Miles at something and watch what happens."  While the Vorkosigan Saga's books are each episodic with character development that links the books thematically and make them wonderful, I think that this book should be read only after you've read Shards of Honor, Barrayar,  (maybe also The Vor Game), and then Memory, if not also Komarr and a Civil Campaign. It's not necessary to understand the main plot at all, and you can absolutely read this book in any order you like, but there are some elements of character dynamics that mean so much more now that I have the full context for them, that I really suggest just letting this series run your life for a little bit. 

Fanfic
Classic: Early Returns by rageprufrock - Inception - Reporter AU - Author Summary: Thinking that a reporter genuinely likes you is pretty much on par with feeling like you really are special to that stripper. 
Why I love it: This features honestly one of the most deeply humiliating scenes that I have ever even imagined in a fic - having a one-night-stand who shows up at your job the next day as the new hire, and he does not recognize you or notice that you're the person he slept with the night before. For MONTHS. aaaaaaaaaaarg it's good writing. 

NewXenoethnography by Therrae (Dasha_mte) - Transformers - Outsider POV - Author Summary: It also didn’t help that the average glyph message was only three characters long, used no articles or prepositions, and usually had no verbs. What was the proper response to:: Curiosity; Sensation of great speed? Was it a question? A comparison?  Why, after a brief visit by National Security Director Mearing, did four different ‘Bots send:: Emphasis; overlapping? Why was a particularly bad joke by Bulkhead derided as ::Undercharged when there were actual glyphs for Not funny and Humor fail? How did any of that work?
Why I love it: OPTIMUS PRIME HIRES AN ANTHROPOLOGIST TO HELP THE AUTOBOTS DO CULTURAL EXCHANGE WITH THE HUMANS. The aliens are alien! The humans are well intentioned and aware of their own biases and still are influenced by them. Incomplete series, but it's 150K so far, so you're good for a while. 




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So,  [personal profile] yalumesse asked me on the Five Things Meme post  for "Top 5 fanfics, any fandom. The kind you read over and over and they're always THAT GOOD."  

So you can blame her for this.

THE NUMBERING IS RANDOM, I CANNOT CHOOSE.

1. TitleTheft of Assets, Destruction of Property by Helenish 
Fandom: Harry Potter 
Author Summary: Surely it is a mistake to allow a single youthful indiscretion to cloud an already promising career.

Why I Love It: Neville Longbottom/Draco Malfoy  I repeat, Neville Longbottom/Draco Malfoy,  how is this a thing? How? how is it an amazing thing? How does it take the backwards attitudes of the wizarding world and run with them towards their ideas about sexual mores and the legal system? It's full of pining and people misunderstanding each other for legitimate reasons regarding culture and fear and shame and actually carefully addresses it and deal with the aftermath!  The premise is that, in pureblood circles, virginity is a Big Deal, so when Draco happily loses his to Neville in his last year at Hogwarts, and Lucius finds out, Lucius launches a lawsuit against Neville for damages. AND MARRYING DRACO IS PART OF THE SETTLEMENT, which Draco accepts in order to get out of his father's horrible clutches.  We see a fairly OOC Draco trying to figure out who he is and what his value is, and finding it again, and Neville quietly struggling with the idea that he's done something awful without meaning to to someone he cares deeply about, and both of them SEETHING WITH FEELINGS. It's great. You'll need to take occasional breaks. 

2.TitleBlake's Corollary by pagination
Fandom: Batman, Nolanverse, Dark Knight Rises 
Author Summary: If there are any two men less likely to share their toys than Bane and Bruce, John doesn't want to meet them. Also? John is not a toy, goddammit.

Why I Love It: I'm just going to include some of the tags here: nuns can be badass too, orphans are terrifying, John Blake is kind of a troll, Bruce has the emotional maturity of hand soap, when Bane is the sane one you know things are really bad, Barsad hates everything, Babs rules. This fic is awesome, because it takes the pretensions of the Nolanverse Batman and Bane relationship, and injects the impatient snark of John Robin Blake, who is simply trying to save Gotham, Bruce, you sack of crap, and watches the fireworks. It gives Blake's world a fully fleshed life - the orphans, the scary and hilarious nun who raised him, the costs of training with two of the most dangerous fighters alive, and the emotional costs of living in a city like Gotham. Gotham eats its children, and deciding to care about that in the face of the inevitable pain is where the absolute purity of Blake's spirit shines through - he will not permit himself to ignore it. He will not look away. He's magnificent, and a magnificent shit, and this fic manages to be plotty and pornful and full of wonderful asides to a broader world beyond the Batcave. Read it immediately. 

3. Title: Thomas and the Society of Sentinels by Alex51324
Fandom: Downton Abbey, (and a fusion with some worldbuilding of The Sentinel, a tv series from 1996)
Author Summary: After being arrested for gross indecency with another male person, Thomas Barrow learns that he has a natural gift which will plunge him into a startlingly different society which exists in parallel with the one in which he has lived his life until now. He’s not entirely sure whether or not that’s a good thing…. Downton Abbey/Sentinel fusion. (If you are not familiar with the Sentinel, fear not: the note at the beginning of chapter 1 will fill you in on everything you need to know.) This story occurs in the same universe as my other Sentinel/Guide stories, but is intended to work as a standalone. Diverges from Downton Abbey cannon in series 3 (3x07 UK or 3x06 US)

Why I Love It: Thomas Barrow, in canon, is a weaselly little shit of a servant who works in a large household, who has a very dim view of humanity and a willingness to screw other people over to benefit himself. He truly believes that everyone is out to screw everyone else over, and the only difference is how well you can get away with it. He's also gay, and his relationships with men throughout the series generally reinforce his awful worldview that people, even people who are close to you and at risk of exposure themselves, will screw you over for their own sake. So, what happens when he's, by act of fate, plopped in amongst a bunch of people who are totally fine with his sexuality, are all kind and well adjusted and go out of their way to ensure the happiness of everyone who comes in contact with them? Who legitimately will bend over backwards to ensure that he's happy and will assume the best of him?  He absolutely does not buy it one little bit and screws himself over in the process of trying to protect himself. This fic. THIS FIC!  Is all about the process of beginning to trust, and how your past experiences mean you will view something totally differently than someone with different experiences, and also how utterly not obvious that is to the other person. If there ever was a fic about maladaptive coping mechanisms coming to bite you in the ass, and how to fix it, and where it can't be fixed, ever, not even a little, except for maybe when it can? this is that fic. 

4. Title: Muckraker! by ORPHAN (not an orphan account, that's the author's name)
Fandom: Venom (film)
Author's Summary: After the probe crash, Eddie's getting his life back together. Sort of. So what if his new beat writing PR puff pieces for Silicon Valley startups isn't exactly glamorous? And so what if every time he closes his eyes, he dreams of the distant stars, and the bottom of a smooth black hole, one that used to be filled with teeth?

Why I Love It: Venom fandom is exploding, and I love it. I was in it for the comics, but this uses mostly movie canon and maybe a little bit of comics to flesh it out, and it's wonderful. It's from the sub-genre of "Eddie and Venom get together after the crash," and it gives a lot of good and loving space to Eddie pining for his lost symbiote and being a resolutely badass ruthlessly compassionate anticapitalist investigator while trying to put himself back together. He has support systems, a new job, and a relentless drive to show exactly how the rich and powerful are shutting their eyes to the harm they are doing to the vulnerable people of San Francisco.

This fic utterly NAILS the way Eddie was so focused on compassion and listening to marginalized people that he sometimes literally cannot relate to the average human, who's willing to ignore a little bit of suffering, just here and there, just because what can you do about it?  But Eddie Brock would walk up to the Garden of Eden and punch God in the face for kicking two children out of their home. Also, the Venom symbiote is really, truly alien here, and there's some lovely focus on its recovery and their relationship and love and it is a fucking gift and you should read it immediately. 

Edit - I feel like I should mention that the warnings on this fic are a little vague - the violence levels are pretty normal for the comics, which are slightly more detailed from the movie. If the movie was PG 13, this fic leans towards R.  It's not dwelling on the suffering and pain, but there is one scene of deliberate torture, some passing animal harm, and some gleeful violence against white supremacist shitbags. And, ya know, people get eaten. 

5. Title: King and Lionheart by thehoyden - FYI, this fic is AO3 locked and you need an account to read it. comment if you need an invite, I'm happy to share. 
Fandom: Hockey RPF
Author's Summary: Sidney’s wedding day doesn’t go quite as he’d planned. When he’d bothered to imagine it at all, he’d thought of a nice June wedding in Nova Scotia, outdoors with the sun streaming down. He hadn’t imagined this hurried affair on the tarmac on a rainy and unseasonably cool day in early September, a month after his twenty-fifth birthday.

Why I Love It: They get married in the first scene. They get married in the first scene for immigration and hockey reasons and it's still a GLACIALLY SLOW SLOWBURN FIC. Oh, GOD, they are MARRIED and they don't speak the same LANGUAGE - stick a fork in me, I am D O N E. (this kink is bulletproof for me) Ugh, I love this fic so much. This is all about Sid, the boy who would do anything for hockey, and finding Geno, who feels the same way, and they don't know each other and can't speak the same language but they both have hockey in their hearts and it's beautiful and slow and there are no stupid misunderstandings at all, just the slow creation of a real relationship out of a fake marriage and I LOVE IT. 

 


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Listening: I spent a lot of this weekend in back episodes of  Be the Serpent , a podcast of extreme literary merit, which talks about writing and tropes and fanfic and is generally a delightful group of cackling writers openly discussing how character and sex can be written about in ways that intertwine and make both better. 

Their recommendations sent me down a rabbit hole - I know that I got to their podcast via Alex Rowland's tumblr, which means we probably overlapped in fannish circles, and she's the author of the book I am currently reading, Conspiracy of Truths. But I don't know how I started listening to the podcast and then didn't realize for several episodes that she's the American of the trio. Just, one of those fannish journeys that you take slowly down the road and then look up and are like, oh, here's where I am now. 

Reading: Peacemaker by astolat which is *not* a re-read for me, actually. I dipped my toes in the Transformers fic realm a bit a while back and now I'm post-Venom and can no longer deny being a monsterfucker, so I'm going back thru her stuff and damn this is sweet and porny and adorable. 
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Annnnnd I have read basically no pro-fic this week at all.

So enjoy this Venom fanfic : Taking everyone for a ride  
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Venom:
intra-personal negotiation by Wildehack (tyleet)
Author's Summary: How fucked is that, that a compromise that ended with eating raw shark liver under the Golden Gate Bridge in the dead of night is probably the most interpersonally mature he’s ever been? Intra-personally, Venom corrects, not really paying attention.

Why I love it: I adore stories that are about actually making relationships work, and giving and taking and paying attention. I also love stories in which people try to do this and fail badly, and try again and fail better. And this does all of that, plus Venom eats a shark and makes reference to theories about cultural differences. 

Pride and Prejudice:
An Ever-Fixed Markby AMarguerite (This is locked to AO3 users, I have invites if you need an account!)

Author's Summary: One would think that having the name of one's soulmate appear on one's wrist on one's sixteenth birthday would make matrimony much less complicated. It mostly does not. And not at all for Miss Elizabeth Bennet of Longbourne. (A deconstruction of the "soulmate identifying mark" trope, using "Pride and Prejudice." Trigger warnings in the tags.)

Why I love it: This fic takes the idea of visible soulmate marks as trope and then just decides to take it apart and put it back together slantwise. It's also has 'Bisexuals in History: Pretty Normal, Actually', as a minor plot thread about why Colonel Fitzwilliam's family were weird about him for years, beautiful thoughtful romance, considerate and kind reactions to grief, and British politics of the Regency period as a major plot threads.
Content warnings: some non graphic discussion of 19th century battlefield medicine and nursing injured people. 

 

Lexical Gap

Dec. 8th, 2009 07:56 pm
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Title: Lexical Gap
Author: [livejournal.com profile] kitewithfish, that would be me.
Characters: Hayy ibn Yaqzan (Alive, son of Awake)/ Absal
Rating: G
Genre: Gen
Warnings: Acknowledges the existence of m/m sexual relationship. Nonexplicit.
Word Count: c. 900

This fic is based off of characters in Abu Bakr ibn Tufayl's The Philosophical Tale of Hayy ibn Yaqzan, first published in the 12th century in Spain. The Philosophical Tale is itself a fanfiction of Avicenna's 11th century Persian Recital of Hayy ibn Yaqzan.
Both are available in English since the 16th century. Spellings vary. Slash goggles make ibn Tufayl's version significantly more enjoyable.

I do not have the words. )
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I can pinpoint exactly how I got into reading fanfic. Exactly. It was sometime in 2000 or 2001 (back when the set up of the computers put them in the den on the main floor of the house- back when people in my family had to share two computers, well before it became common to see us all huddled in the living room illuminated by the glow of separate laptop screens).

I was bored, and of all the random stuff in the world, my sister told me to go to bored.com and find something there to do. There was a link to fanfiction.net. And thus my addiction began.

Now, mind you, I was a geek, but I was a superhero geek. I was delighted with BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES, or whatever they were calling it that season, and I was fairly addicted to a number of other superhero offshoots. I was a Marvel comics reader with a guilty love of a few DC characters, but limited by my suburban surroundings and being several years from my driver's permit, I was shit out of luck finding a comic book shop.

But there was fanfiction. On the internet. For free. People were writing stories about characters I liked, and I could get them without ever having to spend money or leave the house! The valkyries had come in the night to take me to my geeky Valhalla. And for a long time, I was content.

For, you see, this was before fanfiction.net stopped hosting NC-17 material. And thus, much of my introduction to fandom was paired with my introduction to porn. And I was happy, happy girl.

I existed like this for a damned long time, actually. I read more Marvel comics fanfic than I read the comics, and I was able to glean canon events and changes from that. Ff.net was still my one and only pit stop on the internet for this sort of thing, however, but it opened my brain up to something completely mind bogglingly different about being a geek.

There were others. Not only were people writing fanfic (and this, for me, was still a shockingly novel concept- authors of books were ephemeral creatures who stepped down from the clouds with completed works in hand. I could love a series to death without having any interest in the author whatsoever- it honestly just did not occur to me at all to care, ) but people reading the same fanfic as me. And writing comments. And praise. And then the author would respond, and the story would go on, and the cycle would repeat.

[This was pretty shocking to me, actually. I was the weird kid in school who'd moved in late when everyone else was already friends, and my social activities were greatly limited. Either as a cause of this, or just as a result, I read a metric shitload of books at a time. And no one ever read the same thing as me. Never. The Library was a place I went to restock on books, about a half dozen at a time, and other people went to socialize at the little tables together. No one ever read the same stuff as me.

[At least, no one I ever wanted to talk to- certainly none of the other girls. (I have vague recollections of geeky boys at school avidly discussing the logistics involved in the Yeerk invasion of Earth in ANIMORPHS, but I never talked to them because I never spoke to anyone of my own free will during the school day.) I read HARRY POTTER AND THE SORCERER'S STONE around the time it came out, not because it was recommended to me, but just because it was in the public library in the scifi/fantasy section, and carried it around with me at school and I was flabbergasted when another girl wanted to talk to me about it. Befuddled, bewildered and utterly taken aback. Weirdest thing that had ever happened to me, and honestly was probably the point at which I began viewing that series with suspicion. But I digress.]

So there was fanfiction.net, haven of geeks, freaks, and other assorted weirdoes who were better geeks than me, because they were spending more time and energy thinking about their characters and backgrounds. Seriously. Nowadays I hardly ever visit ff.net because the ratio of awesome to crap is sadly skewed, but I was young and foolish and I didn't judge stories on their bad grammar. I just went with the flow and liked the Mary Sue even if she was unrealistically perky.

But one thing that ff.net did have going for it, was it was multifandom. You could find fanfic on just about anything there, and while I was initially too faithful and too fearful to leave my comicbook bailiwick, eventually I began to explore. I ignored Harry Potter because I just didn't like their conception of magic compared to that depicted in the YOUNG WIZARDS series by Diane Duane, but I went out into the world and found Star Wars, and Jane Austen, and more than a few others things.

Which brings us to about 2002, the year when NC-17 material was banned from ff.net. I remember some of the outraged posts about this, but honestly, this was a good thing for me, because it forced me to decentralize my fannish attentions- there was no more smut to be found on ff.net, so I went further afield, and bumped accidentally into really good authors writing really good porn. And honestly, just other really good stories.

Clearly, this marked a turning point. Teland.com became my new favorite place on the internet, and introduced me to a concept that (had I any functional social network) would have occurred to me before: recommendations. People who wrote good stuff were usually reading good stuff too. My intake grew exponentially in my given fandoms, and it was all good. I didn't have to wade through crap anymore to find well-written stories. I didn't have to deal with horrific punctuation. There were good writers making interesting works, and all I had to do was follow one link to another to find what I wanted.

There were even sites where people did nothing but write recommendations for fic, and this was where I came across [livejournal.com profile] thefourthvine. While TFV and I do not interact hardly at all, her recommendations for fandoms I liked were great. She found really, really good stories. The only problem was, large fandoms tend to produce more authors, and when you get a bigger pool of authors, you get better chances of finding really good stories. And the stuff she was reccing? Not in my fandoms, generally. Some were! And they were great stuff, but many were not, and I was loathe to read fic stories where I did not know anything about the canon.

But going through her TFV's lj looking for my fandoms, I found an older post of hers, where she detailed this shocking truth: she often didn't know the fandoms either. She often read fic from fandoms where she only had the most basic information about the canon. In fact, she threw another shocking concept my way: she did not even feel guilty about this. She didn't seem to think that she really needed the canon. She read the fanfic because she liked the fanfic.

And in that moment, friends, I was set free.

I don't need to know the canon. I don't need to feel like I need to watch the first season of a series before I can read the fic authors I want. I don't have to care about spoilers. I can just read the fanfic because I like the fanfic, and forget about the canon entirely if I want to.

This attitude changed my interaction with fandom entirely. It opened doors into fandoms I never thought I would care about, with shows that had been off the air for years or things that were only available in languages I don't speak. I became a fan of fandom in and of itself, not merely as a means to worship of canon, but as a concept of shared creative endeavor without any hope of profit.

And here I stand.

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